Map Files GSF1250S(A) Bandit 2007-2008

RidgeRacer · Guru

Map Files GSF1250S(A) Bandit 2007-2008

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

Thanks Gadget & RR!

The SA model is a S with ABS.
Both have the 32920-18H20 ECU.
The K7/K8 US-model has a 32920-18H10 ECU.

Gadget · Senior Member

The E-33, which is the US "California" version is the only version I'm aware of in the U.S. We've yet to find anyone with the E-03 non-California version. The E-33 version uses the 32920-18H20 ECU, whether it's an S or SA.
I'd have to assume the 18H10 part number listed in the US microfiche is for the non-existent E-03 model.

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Looks like the RPM goes all the way to 16,000 in the maps.
How do you edit the headings to make things easier to read, is it something in the XML file?

Geoff

Gadget · Senior Member

Yes, editing the xml will do that for you.

<table type="3D" name="Map 0x0003190C" category="Ignition Maps" storagetype="uint8" endian="big" sizex="23" sizey="39"

userlevel="1" storageaddress="0x0003190C" >
<scaling units="unknown" expression="x" to_byte="x" format="#" fineincrement="1" coarseincrement="10" />
<table type="X Axis" name="Throttle" storagetype="uint16" endian="big" sizex="23" storageaddress="0x00031890" >
<scaling units="%" expression="(x-14080)/453.12" to_byte="(x*453.12)+14080" format="#.#" fineincrement="1" />
</table>
<table type="Y Axis" name="Engine Speed" storagetype="uint16" endian="big" sizex="39" storageaddress="0x000318BE" >
<scaling units="RPM" expression="x/2.56" to_byte="x*2.56" format="#" fineincrement="1" coarseincrement="10" />
</table>
<description>function unknown</description>
</table>

We should coordinate who is doing what, otherwise we'll end up all working on the same thing. What is it you're working on? I was messing with the Ignition maps...

-- Edited by Gadget at 14:01, 2008-11-25

Gadget · Senior Member

Like Geoff says, using 2.56 runs the maps to 16,000 RPM which to mee seems like too much for a bike with a 9,500 RPM redline. The limiter kicks in at 10k, yet the last change to the map is as deep as 10,800. Does that seem like something Suzuki would do, or is our scale wrong?

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

I think the same ECU runs the 650 which revs much higher

I am adding names to the Fuel density maps and the Alpha-N...Just trying to make things easier to read.

Sorry very new to this, but it is fun and makes the day go much faster at work...and to think I used to hate being bored doing IT support....

Thanks Gadget, now I can see how you get the % and RPM into the tables.

-- Edited by geofftl1000r at 14:42, 2008-11-25

RidgeRacer · Guru

It is not uncommon to see the tables extend well beyond their usable limits.

Besides on way I find the the limiters is to first find a routine that converts crank period to rotations per unit time. It uses a unique constant that makes it very easy to find with a simple search for the constant value.

The bandit has the same routine, line for line, with the same constant that all the other 2.56 ecus have. I have high confidence that scale is correct.

The fact there is data above red line seems to indicate that someone dyno'd the engine in that range during development and perhaps this engine has some untapped potential. It is not like 10,800 is an outrageous rpm for a 1250cc engine.

Gadget · Senior Member

Geoff, could you email me the sections of your xml code that you've changed when you're done with them? I figured I could copy and paste them to a minor-revision master (.01, .02, etc) in this thread. Then RR could post an update at the start of the sticky from time to time as our progress warrants it.

Current minor revision Updated 3/31/09

If there is anyone who cannot connect to the link, please PM, email, or post the first three octets of your IP address and I'll fix that...

-- Edited by Gadget on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 12:13:39 PM

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

Hello Gadget,

could you please email your def file to

blacktriple@gmx.de

Thanks!

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Gadget I did send something to you using the email add. on this site. Maybe it's stuck crossing the pond?
I have now done some of the ignition headings too.
The ignition has 20 maps. (guessing that is 10-A maps and 10-B maps) 2 are almost identicle so I am thinking we have 2 Neutral maps(1,4 and 2,3),? But why 8 other? I can see why on the GSX1k as you have different power levels (12maps 3 power levels).

Geoff

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

Hi Geoff,

I think there are 10 MS0 and 10 MS1 ignition maps:

1 map for neutral Cyl 1 and 4
1 map for neutral Cyl 2 and 3
and 2 groups of 4 maps for Cyl 1 to 4
makes 10 maps for each mode

(like on the GSX-R 1000, but the Gixxer has 3 groups of single cylinder maps)

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Hi Blackgixxer
I can understand the GSX having more maps as it has a switch with 3 power settings but the bandit doesn't (or it's not fitted) Maybe we do have the ability for on-the-fly map switching? Time will tell........... Maybe the maps are for getting home when the FI light is on?
Hopefully I'll learn more as we go along.
The main reason I was interested in hacking the ECU was to find a way to get the secondaries to stay open and let the bike breath. There is a lag in the throttle response, almost turbo like.

RidgeRacer · Guru

The ignition map groups are by gear not mode.

In the k5/k6 gixxer 1st and 2nd use group 1, 3rd and 4th use group 2, and 4th and 5th use group 3. This is why the TRE improves ignition. By forcing the bike into 5th all the time it forces the ecu to use the less restrictive group 3 all the time.

(a group being 1 map for each cylinder)

So the bandit is most likely (not including the neutral maps)

MS0, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 1
MS0, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 2
MS0, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 3
MS0, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 4

MS0, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 1
MS0, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 2
MS0, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 3
MS0, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 4

MS1, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 1
MS1, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 2
MS1, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 3
MS1, Gear 1-2-3, cylinder 4

MS1, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 1
MS1, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 2
MS1, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 3
MS1, Gear 4-5-6, cylinder 4

Gadget · Senior Member

Geoff, I didn't get your mail. I just relaxed my incoming mail rules but if it was queued it should have come in by now. Could you send it again?

Blackgixxer, I sent you an email.

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

RR, with mode i meant MS0/MS1 and when you have a look on 0x32449, this looks like the "Ign Map Gear Select" table (010101020202) or am I wrong?

Gadget, thanks. Did you get the emails I sent you the last days?

RidgeRacer · Guru

Blackgixxer wrote:

RR, with mode i meant MS0/MS1 and when you have a look on 0x32449, this looks like the "Ign Map Gear Select" table (010101020202) or am I wrong?

Gadget, thanks. Did you get the emails I sent you the last days?

I agree, 0x32449 is very very likely the Ign Map Gear Select table (see sub_10BE8)

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Found the same map in the Bandit definitions but I would like to understand what the numbers mean. Anyone have an idea?
I was thinking it was Volts not engine speed but then it would have to use a number around 12v (13.5?) to mean anything......? Thanks

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

geofftl1000r wrote:

Found the same map in the Bandit definitions but I would like to understand what the numbers mean. Anyone have an idea?
I was thinking it was Volts not engine speed but then it would have to use a number around 12v (13.5?) to mean anything......? Thanks

For the 1250 it should look like this:

RidgeRacer · Guru

To be a little more specific the raw map numbers in the X axis represent a fraction or x/256.

For example 179/256 = 0.699 Now usually in the case of analog sensors this would be a fraction of 5V, but for the system voltage it first goes thru a 1/4 voltage divider that makes the number a fraction of 20V. So 0.699 * 20 = 14V

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Thanks guys.

Pasis · Member

Hello.

I would also join the hacking ECU 1250.

There is a bike for the Japanese market, so such a label ECU 32920-18H30.

I would like to know whether there is progress in this direction?

And any plans to include GSF1250 in the program EE?

index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16730.0;attach=101996

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

Wow, things don't seem to have changed much since I've been away. Has anyone had any luck with the Bandit map definitions? Finally have a job that pays more then it costs to live and want to start tinkering with the ECU again.

Brix · Senior Member

XML Finish smile

geofftl1000r · Veteran Member

care to share? Please!!!

Pitstopservvv · Veteran Member

hello there, need also the definition file for bandit?! THANKS

amissy · Veteran Member

There are two difinicones to get started. are a little above