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2 Step Feature works well!


Just in case anyone wanted to see that it works! I set the slew rate values high enough that doesn't activate so you still have to use the clutch to control the launch.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL6_Yb_Ihs4&feature=youtu.be



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Looks good.

Once you get more comfortable with teh roll-ons, and get some data logging done, Try the roa and see if it helps with the higher power rolls.

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Very Nice! wink Thanks for Posting Bro! smile



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I Definitely agree with what DeeSpeed said! 2-Step Works GREAT!!!!! smile I Flashed it into My Bike tonight, Set the ROA Timing to "0", Clutch in 2-Step to 5K and it Works Flawlessly! I was getting a Kick outta at every Stop light leaving on the 2-step & Blowing the Tire away. biggrin I am Sure the Cars could Hear Me Giggling inside My helmet! lol 

***Really Starting to see a Need for a Helmet/Bike Cam Now***



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There is a problem that we have with turbo bikes that want to build boost cause when u engage the clutch and u are in gear it doesn't use the neutral ignition map but the gear map.
If it used the neutral map we can build boost by retarding in the rpm range that 2step is engaged.


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Matador, do you still have the clutch signal going to the ECU into pin 60?

What RPM and throttle position are you staging at?

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Yes I have the clutch signal in and I am staging at 8200rpm 100% tps

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Seems that this can be resolved to use the neutral maps.

You could try retarding the timing from say 70-100% and add about 80% more fuel in teh same area from about 7800-8300.

It will add fuel and pull timing at the line, but as soon as the bike moves, it will climb out of the anti-lag area and run normally.

That said, I f you are using the 2-step, I doubt it will wok as well as it will be cutting the ignition and fuel and probably won't build boost.


On my GEN1, I set the timing to between 10-15 degrees and added about 100% or more additional fuel from ~7200-7700 (I was leaving at ~7500) from 20% to ~60%.

I would roll the throttle to about 25% and hold it for a moment for the bike to rev. Once it got to the 7000's, it would start to break up and build heat in the turbine. I woudl then roll back on teh throttle up to about 50% and then bump in. I tried it up to about 9psi boost (this was too much for my bike, yours might handle it with the big tire).

I was monitoring exhaust temps to make sure they were not extreme and they never even got much over 1000F.
Bike sounded like a jet at the line as the turbo spooled.
John

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If you want to experiment retarding the neutral/clutch ignition map you could try to edit these maps in ecueditor v3.0 as the new version provides access to these maps instead of unifying all the ignition maps.

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John I am doing it with a little bit different way. I retard the ignition by 24 degrees at the neutral map and there u go.
But that was on previous versions of editor. Now this thing only works when I am in neutral when I select the first gear and pull the clutch it doesn't change the map to neutral. So I found a new way to do that by wiring the ms switch in the clutch to change from one ignition map to the other when engage and desingage the clutch

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jkwool wrote:

If you want to experiment retarding the neutral/clutch ignition map you could try to edit these maps in ecueditor v3.0 as the new version provides access to these maps instead of unifying all the ignition maps.

Cheers

-Justin.


This is the reason I asked if u can find the map that defines what ignition map will be used by gear or neutral

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I have enabled the ability to open gen 2 bin files in v3.0 and now i have just enabled flashing for gen 2 so it should be pretty straigh forward to test the changes to the neutral/clutch ignition map.

http://www.woolichracing.com/downloads/ecueditor.com3.0.zip



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Matador wrote:

John I am doing it with a little bit different way. I retard the ignition by 24 degrees at the neutral map and there u go.
But that was on previous versions of editor. Now this thing only works when I am in neutral when I select the first gear and pull the clutch it doesn't change the map to neutral. So I found a new way to do that by wiring the ms switch in the clutch to change from one ignition map to the other when engage and desingage the clutch


 Sounds good.

 

Is that strategy working to build boost when using the 2-step at 8200? Good to know what works.  If we can get a few strategies that work well, perhaps we will look at adding it as a featuer in the future to make it easy to mod / activate, de-activate, etc.

 

I think I need to take off from work at noon to go home and try to get mine wrapped up....I need to be a bigger part in testing and use rather than watching from afar.



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This strategy really works I am using it on my race bike and I can ensure u that is very effective.


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jkwool wrote:

I have enabled the ability to open gen 2 bin files in v3.0 and now i have just enabled flashing for gen 2 so it should be pretty straigh forward to test the changes to the neutral/clutch ignition map.

http://www.woolichracing.com/downloads/ecueditor.com3.0.zip


I have already tested ver 3.0 editing and then flashed with older version. I don't know if u can understand me but the problem is that the neutral/clutch map is just neutral map and not clutch map. That's why I am using ms0-ms1 feature to do the anti lag effect when using 2step.

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John I forgot to say that 2 step is only cutting ignition not fuel.
I personally asked that from Petrik the early days cause I had an MSD launch master before 2step implementation on the editor
and that worked fine by just cutting ignition. The fuel is needed for the turbo bikes to build boost.
Watch out for the flames John they are pretty big and the take off is very nice!

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Matador wrote:
jkwool wrote:

 

I have enabled the ability to open gen 2 bin files in v3.0 and now i have just enabled flashing for gen 2 so it should be pretty straigh forward to test the changes to the neutral/clutch ignition map.

http://www.woolichracing.com/downloads/ecueditor.com3.0.zip


 

I have already tested ver 3.0 editing and then flashed with older version. I don't know if u can understand me but the problem is that the neutral/clutch map is just neutral map and not clutch map. That's why I am using ms0-ms1 feature to do the anti lag effect when using 2step.


 Ok i am with you now :)



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Does the GPS input have priority over the neutral switch input? If not, couldn't you pull the neutral input to ground along with the clutch switch signal too using the clutch switch itself (which pulls to ground the same as the neutral switch does)? You might need a diode or two in there to stop things back feeding maybe...

If I get five tomorrow I could give it a try...



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So how were you able to get 2 Step to work?

i saw and understand how to do it on a GEN 1 but cant figure it out for Gen 2...

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So how were you able to get 2 Step to work?

i saw and understand how to do it on a GEN 1 but cant figure it out for Gen 2...


 In teh dragtools screen there is a place to select 2-step. You have to activate dragtools, and then put parameters into the slew rate ignition controller to prevent it from activting, then select your 2 step limit at the bottom.



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sportbikeryder wrote:
DenisTheMenace wrote:

So how were you able to get 2 Step to work?

i saw and understand how to do it on a GEN 1 but cant figure it out for Gen 2...


 In teh dragtools screen there is a place to select 2-step. You have to activate dragtools, and then put parameters into the slew rate ignition controller to prevent it from activting, then select your 2 step limit at the bottom.


 Where is the DRAGTOOLS screen at? I cant find it nor can i find where to activate drag tools? Which version of ECU Editor do I have to be on for an 08 Busa?



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Advanced settings then select drag tools and activate it

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Alright i found it... What should the SLEW rpm be set at or do i leave that alone and just set the 2step limit RPM?

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Anybody...?

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you have to find it by youself. if u don't want to mess with it just put zero on retard degree

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